8.0 miles
Distance
1,917 ft
Climb
-1,926 ft
Descent
1,990 ft
High Point
A classic challenging shore ride featuring Expresso and Ladies Only.
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Expresso, Ladies Only, Big Stupid - Fromme - RideSpots.com is a 8 mile popular extreme route located near North Vancouver British Columbia. This mountain bike only route can be used one direction and has a hard overall physical rating. This route includes 9 trails. This route climbs 1,917 ft with a max elevation of 1,990 ft then descends -1,926 ft.
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maggiedurkin
(Jun 20, 2022 at 22:03)
Trail Baden Powell (Fromme Section)
A bit of a surprise, a fun surprise, but after a pretty mellow traverse from expresso the trail changes it’s vibe quite drastically! Be prepared to ride through like 10 rock gardens. Very well put together rock gardens, but somewhat twisty rock gardens nonetheless. Helps to know what to expect! That being said still a great way to get back to the parking lot.
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maggiedurkin
(Jun 20, 2022 at 22:03)
A bit of a surprise, a fun surprise, but after a pretty mellow traverse from expresso the trail changes it’s vibe quite drastically! Be prepared to ride through like 10 rock gardens. Very well put together rock gardens, but somewhat twisty rock gardens nonetheless. Helps to know what to expect! That being said still a great way to get back to the parking lot.
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SpecSRAM
(Nov 8, 2021 at 10:42)
Ridden many times...decided to finally post a comment lol. I really only use BP to ride back out to the Upper Parking Lot and the final descent once you get past Big Stupid is no joke. You can create and carry some ridiculously fun speed down here. Be careful though, as hikers regularly use BP, both ways. You CAN get down the final descent in about 1:30, but your hands will not like it.
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SpecSRAM
(Nov 8, 2021 at 10:42)
Ridden many times...decided to finally post a comment lol. I really only use BP to ride back out to the Upper Parking Lot and the final descent once you get past Big Stupid is no joke. You can create and carry some ridiculously fun speed down here. Be careful though, as hikers regularly use BP, both ways. You CAN get down the final descent in about 1:30, but your hands will not like it.
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Jake451mx
(Oct 12, 2021 at 15:51)
(Oct 12, 2021 at 15:51)
Rode a big portion of this trail west to east it was really fun recommend for riders who like tech up and downs and picking lines great to have something a little rougher next to some of the more well groomed berm trails- variety is the key-
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Jake451mx
(Oct 12, 2021 at 15:51)
(Oct 12, 2021 at 15:51)
Rode a big portion of this trail west to east it was really fun recommend for riders who like tech up and downs and picking lines great to have something a little rougher next to some of the more well groomed berm trails- variety is the key-
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gg444
(Sep 11, 2021 at 21:27)
Trail Expresso
Amazing entry level black, the best flow trail on the Shore by far (sorry Bobsled). I would consider it slightly easier than Floppy just becuase it's a bit more flowy and faster for intermediates, and definitely worth the climb. I always finish my day riding Expresso during golden hour.
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thetruejb
(Jul 20, 2021 at 14:15)
Trail Big Stupid
Cool trail but the ladder bridge drop is pretty rickety. Would love it if there were a few more stabilizing supports as it shifts pretty violently and a few of the rungs are loose.
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braydenharris
(Jul 1, 2021 at 9:43)
Trail Big Stupid
This trail starts with a really nice flowy section, it's great
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mario9000
(Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
(Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
Found a piece if wood with a 3" nail sticking up out of it on a bridge going eastward just before pipeline exit. Seemed to be placed there purposely. It has been disposed of now. I will upload an image.
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mario9000
(Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
(Jun 14, 2021 at 13:12)
Found a piece if wood with a 3" nail sticking up out of it on a bridge going eastward just before pipeline exit. Seemed to be placed there purposely. It has been disposed of now. I will upload an image.
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razzlebazzil
SHORE CORPS (Jun 15, 2021 at 10:45)
Thank you for taking care of that. I'll swing through and take a good look.
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razzlebazzil
SHORE CORPS (Jun 15, 2021 at 10:45)
Thank you for taking care of that. I'll swing through and take a good look.
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Wesmacaulay
FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
A decent but challenging traverse trail back from Espresso. Some of the steeps could be made a bit more ridable. The large rock gardens will be dangerous for many riders if it's wet. Only worth riding west to east.
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Wesmacaulay
FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
FVMBA - ADMIN (Jun 5, 2021 at 21:09)
A decent but challenging traverse trail back from Espresso. Some of the steeps could be made a bit more ridable. The large rock gardens will be dangerous for many riders if it's wet. Only worth riding west to east.
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Tac0h3ead
(May 30, 2021 at 22:55)
Insanely fun route, throw in pennzoil and lower espresso after the big stupid and call it a day. it also is a really good balance between techy and flow trails.
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darcraver
(Apr 24, 2021 at 20:02)
Trail Ladies Only
Fun challenging black. Love it. You need to be good at a bit of everything to ride this trail. Small rock faces, woodwork, easy(ier) teeter totter, jank, gnar, etc. One of my favorite trails on Fromme, along with Pipeline and Executioner.
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quithollerin
(Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
(Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
Yup. I can honestly say that I'm over Baden. It's now just another fee to pay if you want to ride Expresso. Shaves some life off of your bike everytime you ride it.
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quithollerin
(Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
(Jan 21, 2021 at 10:16)
Yup. I can honestly say that I'm over Baden. It's now just another fee to pay if you want to ride Expresso. Shaves some life off of your bike everytime you ride it.
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ranchitup
(Nov 23, 2020 at 21:53)
There are several sections on this trail that will f*ck a beginner up, especially in the wet. With that being said there are a few pretty fun sections on this trail and overall not terrible for a traverse.
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ranchitup
(Nov 23, 2020 at 21:53)
There are several sections on this trail that will f*ck a beginner up, especially in the wet. With that being said there are a few pretty fun sections on this trail and overall not terrible for a traverse.
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darcraver
(Nov 14, 2020 at 19:39)
The trail totally rocks! Should have seen it 10-15 years ago 
Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back
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Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back darcraver
(Nov 14, 2020 at 19:39)
The trail totally rocks! Should have seen it 10-15 years ago Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back
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Great progression trail after the warmup on Expresso. Unbelievable amount of work done on this trail the last few years to make it more blue like, but it keeps fighting back
DMoney0041
(Sep 21, 2020 at 20:13)
(Sep 21, 2020 at 20:13)
Trail Ladies Only
A great classic north shore ride!
One or two double blackish sections, but it’s mostly a single black in my opinion.
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One or two double blackish sections, but it’s mostly a single black in my opinion.
liamdubs
(Aug 25, 2020 at 16:19)
Like everyone says, not a blue. This is some sort of a prank.
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liamdubs
(Aug 25, 2020 at 16:19)
Like everyone says, not a blue. This is some sort of a prank.
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vancity
(Jul 23, 2020 at 21:23)
(Jul 23, 2020 at 21:23)
Trail Big Stupid
This trail is not one of the hardest blacks on Fromme. The features are optional, and there is perhaps one steep mandatory corner that is moderate black. Upper Crippler, Grannies, Bookwus, and Pipeline are all more difficult. The majority of this trail is flow.
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SeventhSecret
(Apr 28, 2020 at 20:48)
Agree with the comments here -- this is by far the blackest blue trail anywhere on the North Shore. It tends to get pretty beaten up as well, and can get super-gnarly. There are several corners on the downhill section going East towards Mtn Highway (from Espresso / Pipeline, etc.), that are essentially steep rock gardens, and pretty slippery especially when they're wet. Not to mention the beginning of the downhill section... the mandatory steep ladder onto steep rock garden, with a slight left turn at the bottom, would be pretty intimidating, even for a black trail.
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SeventhSecret
(Apr 28, 2020 at 20:48)
Agree with the comments here -- this is by far the blackest blue trail anywhere on the North Shore. It tends to get pretty beaten up as well, and can get super-gnarly. There are several corners on the downhill section going East towards Mtn Highway (from Espresso / Pipeline, etc.), that are essentially steep rock gardens, and pretty slippery especially when they're wet. Not to mention the beginning of the downhill section... the mandatory steep ladder onto steep rock garden, with a slight left turn at the bottom, would be pretty intimidating, even for a black trail.
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JTJ10
(Apr 11, 2020 at 12:53)
Trail Expresso
Rode the trail a couple days ago for the first time. Although its rated blue on trail forks there are some harder sections and some decent drops, this may partly be because the trail has gotten a bit beaten up from winter and all the traffic it receives but with the current virus situation there may not be much trail maintenance for a while so keep that in mind if your expecting something really blue your first time down the trail. Still a really fun trail and great entry level black diamond, if you can handle floppy bunny(the more techy parts and bridges not the optional jumps) and you want to step it up I would recommend it, the climb is long in comparison but its a fun trail with the hardest features optional so you can work your way up to them, also the hardest non-optional parts are pretty easy to walk and there are only a couple.
All around awesome entry level black trail and im exited to ride it again in the next couple of days!
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All around awesome entry level black trail and im exited to ride it again in the next couple of days!
B-Rough
(Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
(Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
Similar to many of the comments above I took this trail as a connector from Expresso. This trail did surprise me as due to the rock paths they have created (I think for hikers) it is actually pretty challenging, definitely harder than Expresso in my view.
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B-Rough
(Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
(Aug 16, 2019 at 20:46)
Similar to many of the comments above I took this trail as a connector from Expresso. This trail did surprise me as due to the rock paths they have created (I think for hikers) it is actually pretty challenging, definitely harder than Expresso in my view.
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JemSamonte
(May 7, 2019 at 21:16)
Rode this trail after trying Expresso the 2nd time. Was very technical for me but was really fun. Walked most of the uphill part and some sketchy descent. You just have to be mindful since a lot of hikers are on this trail as well. Will definitely try again this weekend after pipeline or expresso.
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JemSamonte
(May 7, 2019 at 21:16)
Rode this trail after trying Expresso the 2nd time. Was very technical for me but was really fun. Walked most of the uphill part and some sketchy descent. You just have to be mindful since a lot of hikers are on this trail as well. Will definitely try again this weekend after pipeline or expresso.
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andreyapopov
(Mar 28, 2019 at 13:44)
This is NOT a blue trail; it should be marked as black diamond. I ride blue trails almost exclusively with couple black ones thrown in, and this one is by far the hardest I've done. There are some "black" trail in Squamish and Seymour that are easier than this one.
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andreyapopov
(Mar 28, 2019 at 13:44)
This is NOT a blue trail; it should be marked as black diamond. I ride blue trails almost exclusively with couple black ones thrown in, and this one is by far the hardest I've done. There are some "black" trail in Squamish and Seymour that are easier than this one.
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andreyapopov
(Mar 28, 2019 at 13:48)
In fact, Expresso - black rated trail - is much easier than this one.
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andreyapopov
(Mar 28, 2019 at 13:48)
In fact, Expresso - black rated trail - is much easier than this one.
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martywis
(Mar 25, 2019 at 8:51)
Trail Expresso
Hi Guys, I was riding Saturday around 4:00 and saw couple of guys on eBikes riding cross country through the woods (maybe crossing between Crippler and ESpresso)...
Unfortunately I did not manage to talk to them - but if anybody knows who they were or sees them again, please highlite that riding off trails with ebikes especially will cause damage to our sport and the fantastic location on the northshore.
btw. I am a eMTB rider as well... and there is more then enough fun on the perfect existing trails!
Please respect and share this attitude!!!!
Marty
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Unfortunately I did not manage to talk to them - but if anybody knows who they were or sees them again, please highlite that riding off trails with ebikes especially will cause damage to our sport and the fantastic location on the northshore.
btw. I am a eMTB rider as well... and there is more then enough fun on the perfect existing trails!
Please respect and share this attitude!!!!
Marty
Edu888
(Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
(Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
Took the trail to go back to the parking lot after Espresso and I can safely say that this trail is significantly harder. Super steep rocky climbs lead to super steep rocky descents. The descents are really fun though.
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Edu888
(Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
(Jan 27, 2019 at 16:16)
Took the trail to go back to the parking lot after Espresso and I can safely say that this trail is significantly harder. Super steep rocky climbs lead to super steep rocky descents. The descents are really fun though.
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JacksonThack
(Jul 30, 2018 at 8:56)
This trail is exceptionally technical with massive uphill rock gardens, steep stairs, and not much fun for me as an intermediate rider
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JacksonThack
(Jul 30, 2018 at 8:56)
This trail is exceptionally technical with massive uphill rock gardens, steep stairs, and not much fun for me as an intermediate rider
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KevinStafford
(Apr 4, 2018 at 6:27)
Yeah, that was the blackest blue I've ever ridden. However, I had a great time rolling those steps and re enforced stone descents back to parking. Great trail in its own right.
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KevinStafford
(Apr 4, 2018 at 6:27)
Yeah, that was the blackest blue I've ever ridden. However, I had a great time rolling those steps and re enforced stone descents back to parking. Great trail in its own right.
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konarider112
(Mar 16, 2018 at 20:55)
This is the hardest blue trail I’ve ever ridden. Especially east to west; I had to push my bike.
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konarider112
(Mar 16, 2018 at 20:55)
This is the hardest blue trail I’ve ever ridden. Especially east to west; I had to push my bike.
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Ledski
(Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
(Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
Much harder than expected and quite challenging to ride east to west. Quite technical.
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Ledski
(Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
(Aug 16, 2017 at 19:30)
Much harder than expected and quite challenging to ride east to west. Quite technical.
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canadaka
Trailforks (Sep 10, 2011 at 0:00)
Trail Ladies Only
probably my favourite trail on Fromme, great mix of ttfs and trail type.
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Difficulty ratingDouble Black Diamond
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Altitude start1,120 ft
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