4.3 miles
Distance
1,099 ft
Climb
-1,097 ft
Descent
1,586 ft
High Point

A relatively new school flowy ride with a mix of single track climbing with some technical features and a top climbing section of double-track. The descent is a perfect mix of new school and old school shore riding. Expect a sustained descent of up to 45+ minutes.

Detailed Description
Dales, Forever After, High School - Intermediate/Advanced Mountain Bike Route is a 4 mile popular intermediate route located near North Vancouver British Columbia. This mountain bike only route can be used one direction and has a hard overall physical rating. This route includes 22 trails. This route climbs 1,099 ft with a max elevation of 1,586 ft then descends -1,097 ft.

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68 Reviews & Comments

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subieoutlaw (Feb 13, 2022 at 16:06)
Trail High School League
 Fun fun fun. Smooth and fast XC trail.
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subieoutlaw (Feb 13, 2022 at 16:06)
Trail High School League
 Fun fun fun. Smooth and fast XC trail.
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liamdubs (Feb 9, 2022 at 20:40)
Trail Baden Powell (Bikeable)
 The direction is basically wrong. It is 100% unrideable from forever after to severed upwards, but is a spicy treat downwards.
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liamdubs (Nov 20, 2021 at 17:40)
Trail R & R Climb
 This trail actually rules, great techy uphill challenge.
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Mcyeetus (Oct 20, 2021 at 19:37)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Fun and enjoyable climb.
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conrad-hoc (Oct 14, 2021 at 11:33)
Trail High School League
 great trail. fun to learn on. I like that its a loop
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conrad-hoc (Oct 14, 2021 at 11:33)
Trail High School League
 great trail. fun to learn on. I like that its a loop
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adnauseam (Oct 8, 2021 at 15:37)
Trail Applicator
 Difficult to find. The trailhead sign is facing the wrong direction for those looking for it on the way down. The mapb doesn't show it but the first bit is a moderately technical climb peaking at a large rock. Pretty chunky going down for a few sections all in a row. A harder black trail.
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Mcyeetus (Oct 2, 2021 at 21:50)
Trail Mushroom Trail
 Not very enjoyable going uphill.
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Mcyeetus (Oct 2, 2021 at 21:48)
Trail Bridle Path
 Fun xc trail/connector trail with some fun optional features to have fun on!
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Mcyeetus (Oct 2, 2021 at 21:48)
Trail Bridle Path
 Fun xc trail/connector trail with some fun optional features to have fun on!
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cannae (Sep 28, 2021 at 10:45)
Trail Applicator
 I would love to ride this trail but it seems impossible to find
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Kazuaki (Aug 19, 2021 at 18:33)
Trail Forever After
 I’d rate it a dark blue on the downhill parts. And full black on the uphill parts. I gotta get better at climbing!
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liamdubs (Jul 17, 2021 at 21:41)
Trail Shorn Scrotum
 It's like a chicken line to the right just before severed D gets steeper for a bit - but it takes you out onto penny lane. If you want to resume severed D, climb up Penny lane again and resume.
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liamdubs (Jul 17, 2021 at 21:28)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Please make sure to ring the bell at the intersection of John Deer and Good Sir Martin. If you don't ring the bell your strava/trailforks ride will NOT record this trail. It's real important to ring the bell.
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  • + 3
liamdubs (Jun 23, 2021 at 21:05)
Trail Applicator
 Folks who rated this trail low don’t appreciate the good things in life. A short trail thats easy to session , features steep rocks and roots. Its a bundle of fun, probably treacherous in the wet. The entrance is hard to find, but its a steep technical climb from the the bottom of pussyfoot where a bunch of trails intersect.
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  • + 1
corerider (Nov 7, 2021 at 8:18)
Trail Applicator
 This trail actually is one of my favourites on Seymour. I mostly push UP it to do it. Short but well worth it.
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kyleluvsdh (Feb 11, 2021 at 22:30)
Trail Forever After
 We should really adopt the New Zealand trail grading system in Canada. It bridges the gap nicely between between 'hard blue's' and 'easy black's'. Windrock Bike Park, TN. Adopted the NZ grading system in the past year as well. It makes sense. Here's what it would look like:

NZ Trail Grading System:

Grade 1 - White (Easiest)
Grade 2 - Green (Easy)
Grade 3 - Blue (Intermediate)
Grade 4 - Dark Blue (Advanced)
Grade 5 - Black (Expert)
Grade 6 - Double Black (Extreme)
Grade 7 - Pro Line (Extremely Dangerous)
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MintyTingles (Dec 3, 2020 at 19:29)
Trail Dale's Trail
 Two trees still down and blocking the trail at the 7th turn.
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Hanooshka (Dec 1, 2020 at 10:07)
Trail Dale's Trail
 Trees down across the trail near the top of the trail.
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krisrawl00 (Sep 22, 2020 at 16:02)
Trail Penny Lane
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krisrawl00 (Sep 22, 2020 at 16:02)
Trail Penny Lane
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pinker001 (Aug 26, 2020 at 10:31)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Challenging and enjoyable. The trail is pretty steep in some sections with tight switchbacks at steep grade with some rocks to traverse coming through the switchbacks. Physically and technically challenging. I find myself clipping rocks with my pedals and have yet to ride the whole thing without putting a foot down, but I’ll keep trying.
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Dukechillington (Jun 29, 2020 at 22:48)
Trail Forever After
 Awesome trail! Less busy then other areas and super fun on an e-bike with it’s XC flow. Rode on a wet day after almost dying on Dales (no, seriously!) thinking Forever After would be more of the same but was pleasantly surprised!
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0ut5ide (Nov 24, 2019 at 17:00)
Trail Forever After
 Nice conditions today. Good grip on the rocks. Just a few puddles.
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bboyshredder (Sep 14, 2019 at 17:10)
Trail Applicator
 Awesome trail hard to find it, but its sooooooooooo fun because its a dirt slide with two rock drops.
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abueckert (Sep 8, 2019 at 18:12)
Trail Dale's Trail
 September 8, 2019. Suspicious behaviour somewhere around the TTF cedar plank skinny. Some guy 20 ft off the trail to the right digging a hole with a shovel behind a fallen log. Had a black dog and bright yellow rain gear. Definitely not trail crew. Seemed very strange. Not trail crew, wasn't anywhere near a trail. Heads up.
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jjanetka (Aug 30, 2019 at 20:24)
Trail Dale's Trail
 Another good Seymour ride. Connects well with Forever and HSL if your goal is to make it to Hiyanas or Riverside Dr.
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jjanetka (Aug 30, 2019 at 20:21)
Trail Forever After
 Great trail. Nice ride from 2nd switchback parking lot from Corkscrew to Mushroom to Dales to Forever. Yes, probably deserves the black - a few spots are a little tricky if you are going slower (I'm sure the faster just float over this rough stuff). Not a flashy trail but still a good ride.
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bboyshredder (Aug 28, 2019 at 17:50)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 I love this trail . if you hate climbing stick to the old buck because its way shorter. but its awesome and smooth but penny lane isn't witch is before good sir Martin. not good for bigginer climbers .
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Mike1001 (Aug 14, 2019 at 21:33)
Trail Baden Powell (Bikeable)
 This is basically a hike a bike trail for at least half of it.... the bikeable part is just a boring connector to other bikeable trails
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bucky99 (Jul 30, 2019 at 14:58)
Trail Dale's Trail
 Watch out for ebikes riding up trail. Apparently rules don't apply to them.
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xTwoSnakesx (Jul 16, 2019 at 0:36)
Trail Applicator
 Cool trail, but confusing for many reasons:
1. the map makes a short section of this trail part of the climbing route, which seems odd
2. there is an old fall line trail that follows the RR climber that has a tree at the top with a tiny sign that says "Applicator" in marker but seems to point in the opposite direction
3. there is no signage for the actual Applicator turnoff?
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martywis (Jul 13, 2019 at 19:33)
Trail Dale's Trail
 perfect shape ! amazing grip
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Markpervan (Jun 12, 2019 at 22:32)
Trail Dale's Trail
 Awesome trail. Love the work done. Nice flow great tec. I rode this trail for the first time yesterday. I bailed hard at the monster rock feature. Broke 3 ribs! No explanation just a bad day. I'll be back to send it soon I hope. Ride safe everyone.
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ataraxie (Jun 9, 2019 at 22:30)
Trail Forever After
 Forever After is my favorite trail on Seymour! I like how it's mostly downhill with a few XC sections in between. It makes it seem a loong ride! I think it deserves the black rating. It's harder than other black ones like Corkskrew in my opinion.
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javabk (Jun 4, 2019 at 20:52)
Trail Baden Powell (Bikeable)
 This is mostly hike a bike trail
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ryancartiers (Jun 2, 2019 at 10:57)
Trail Bridle Path
 Had some good rides. Probably easier with a full suspension bike.
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ryancartiers (Jun 2, 2019 at 10:57)
Trail Bridle Path
 Had some good rides. Probably easier with a full suspension bike.
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MKBERGEY1 (Mar 30, 2019 at 17:27)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Ride well and Sheeeessssss nice!! ????????
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jalee (Mar 13, 2019 at 23:21)
Trail Forever After
 Such a good trail. Has the most diversity of the trails I routinely ride on the shore. Mixed technical XC and all mountain. It’s a blast through beautiful forest. I would say a must ride after Dale’s, in addition to Pangor my other favourite on Seymour
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crashelman (Sep 14, 2018 at 11:30)
Trail Dale's Trail
 What a lot of digging for the new upper flow section!! Transitions into more typical shore
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crashelman (Sep 14, 2018 at 11:29)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Nice technical climbing alternative
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rskibobirney (Jul 15, 2018 at 18:57)
Trail High School League
 Ridiculously good fun, well-maintained trail. Starting with a couple of banked turns, you’re thrown into fast rolling trail with a couple of small drops. Suitable for newbies (like me) and I’m sure would still be fun for experienced riders.
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rskibobirney (Jul 15, 2018 at 18:57)
Trail High School League
 Ridiculously good fun, well-maintained trail. Starting with a couple of banked turns, you’re thrown into fast rolling trail with a couple of small drops. Suitable for newbies (like me) and I’m sure would still be fun for experienced riders.
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KevinStafford (Jul 8, 2018 at 14:37)
Trail Applicator
 Though short, this little trail is every bit as fun as Severed D
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jonas569 (May 12, 2018 at 5:27)
Trail Upper Dale's Trail
 Very nice and funny ????????
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rovadon (Feb 8, 2018 at 19:04)
Trail Shorn Scrotum
 Tree across trail halfway down at xx) face
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Shokunin (Sep 11, 2017 at 20:06)
Trail Forever After
 I'm new to the shore, but this trail was so hard for a blue. Even compared to some other blues in the area.
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paulbc (Sep 11, 2017 at 20:26)
Trail Forever After
 You're not the only one who thinks that. Last summer, there was a piece of tape on the entrance sign, right under the word "Harder", that said "...than any other blue trail". Call it navy blue.
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Shokunin (Sep 13, 2017 at 20:07)
Trail Forever After
 Good to know I'm not the only one Smile The trail looks a lot more mellow in that video from 2014 too.
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WilliamCornock (Mar 4, 2018 at 14:33)
Trail Forever After
 Was just up there yesterday and it had a black diamond on the sign. They must have changed it quite recently.
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DMal SHORE CORPS (Dec 24, 2015 at 9:16)
Trail Penny Lane
 Possibly my favourite section of the Seymour climb. The corners are open enough that you can get some good uphill flow going. And it takes you right to the rowdy part of Severed, perfect for tacking a little bit more onto the end of a ride.
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DMal SHORE CORPS (Dec 24, 2015 at 9:16)
Trail Penny Lane
 Possibly my favourite section of the Seymour climb. The corners are open enough that you can get some good uphill flow going. And it takes you right to the rowdy part of Severed, perfect for tacking a little bit more onto the end of a ride.
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meloroast (Oct 15, 2015 at 13:44)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 this trail rides like a dream. absolutely love it! great work!!
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DMal SHORE CORPS (Aug 24, 2015 at 7:24)
Trail Upper Dale's Trail
 I saw 2 guys climbing this trail on a busy Sunday morning. Climbing this trail, especially at busy times, is very dangerous. People coming down are going fast and don't expect climbers.
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CRich78 (Aug 10, 2015 at 16:03)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Phenomenal climbing trail. Thanks for all the beautiful work Martin and Penny. Rode GSM for the first time today and enjoyed every inch of it. It's so great to be able to loop back to Baden without having to head over to Old Buck or Hyannis. Awesome. I'll definitely be heading up to ride some Seymour loops more often. Thanks again!
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bikejunky (Jul 23, 2015 at 10:10)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Stung. Twice. Ouch. Great trail nonetheless.
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DMal SHORE CORPS (Jul 13, 2015 at 10:20)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 Great climbing trail. It climbs through a beautiful part of the forest, and the grade is nice and moderate.
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moballa (Jul 12, 2015 at 21:01)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 My son and I rode Good Sir this morning which allowed us to do a couple of laps up there which doesn't happen often for us. The trail meanders beautifully through pristine forest and feels like it's been there forever - a testament to the fantastic engineering and careful planning that went into this right down to the precise fern transplanting! "Isn't this awesome!" was echoed by many of the other excited riders we encountered along the trail today. Congratulations Martin and Penny and to all the other volunteers! Good Sir Martin will be one of the most enjoyed trails on the north shore.
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frenchfriedfun (Jul 10, 2015 at 15:34)
Trail Good Sir Martin
 the Christmas corner is sick ! and the bunch after that too..
sick trail
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Sharonb (Dec 9, 2014 at 7:38)
Trail Shorn Scrotum
 C-Buster is maintained by MTBTrails.ca
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Sharonb (Dec 9, 2014 at 7:42)
Trail Shorn Scrotum
 Shorn I should say
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trevmillion (Aug 29, 2014 at 17:35)
Trail High School League
 very fun XC trail. Minimal roots, some small drops and a lot of rolling terrain. Well maintained
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trevmillion (Aug 29, 2014 at 17:35)
Trail High School League
 very fun XC trail. Minimal roots, some small drops and a lot of rolling terrain. Well maintained
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canadaka Trailforks (Aug 28, 2014 at 12:56)
Trail Baden Powell (Bikeable)
 This section gps'ed on Seymour is mostly all rideable. The section from "Old Buck" to the Powerlines was upgraded last winter for an easier climb and is used a lot.

The descent portion from the powerlines to the "BP to Powerline Connector" was upgraded for the BC Bike Race. The trail after this point is not rideable, it gets very steep with steps. Once it hits "Bridle Path" its rideable again.
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trevmillion (Aug 28, 2014 at 12:17)
Trail Baden Powell (Bikeable)
 how much of this trail can you ride bike on?
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    521 ft
  • Altitude start
    521 ft
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    522 ft
  • Grade max
    -55.3%
  • Grade min
    36.7%
  • Distance climb
    2 miles
  • Distance down
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